Adam Broomberg & Oliver Chanarin : Double Trouble

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Photographes ou artistes ? Allez savoir… Au départ du duo londonien Broomberg et Chanarin, il y a ce livre de photos à la couverture rose et ce titre aussi beau qu’énigmatique People in trouble laughing pushed to the ground. Ces images de guerre, surtout. Dès que j’ai vu ce livre-là, j’ai su qu’il viendrait rejoindre la pile des fondamentaux de ma bibliothèque, et que je le placerai au côté de ses frères d’armes, The World From My Front Porch de Larry Towell, In almost every picture d’Erik Kessels (le volume 4 surtout), non loin de Fait de Sophie Ristelhueber, et tout près de U-ni-ty du germanique Michael Schmidt Et que Amore e Piombo, l’un des petits derniers d’Archive of Modern Conflict, à la beauté tout aussi inquiète viendrait le rejoindre. People in trouble laughing fait parti de ces livres qui vous poursuivent, qui ne vous lâchent pas. On a beau le feuilleter, l’impression reste toujours la même, l’impression de le découvrir pour la première fois, d’y voir une abstraction et de s’y accrocher. Outre sa résonance d’emblée politique, des images d’archives du conflit civil qui a agité le Nord de l’Irlande dès les années 60, quelque chose s’insinue de manière invisible au fil des pages dans les médaillons comme des points de mire. Les images ont souvent à voir avec les fantômes, dit-on… Parce qu’elles nous hantent ou nous effraient. Parce qu’elles survivent à tout, y compris à la mémoire. Images migrantes capables de traverser les frontières du temps. Images survivantes de l’Histoire dont le philosophe Georges Didi-Huberman en a fait son cheval de bataille. Et dont Adam Broomberg et Oliver Chanarin, à l’instar des anthropologues en traquent les traces, les marques invisibles à travers les conflits d’hier et d’aujourd’hui, pour dénoncer les dérives du monde, non par goût du chaos mais pour interroger notre relation psychique et éthique aux images.

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Artists or photographers?
 Who knows… At the origin of
the London duo Broomberg and 
Chanarin there is a photo
book with a pink cover and
a title as beautiful as it
 is enigmatic: “People in
Trouble Laughing Pushed to
 the Ground“, and these war 
images… As soon as I saw this
 book I knew it would become a 
part of my library’s stock of
 essentials. I knew it would 
sit along side its brothers
 in arms: Larry Towell’s The
World From My Front Porch,
 and Erik Kessels In almost
every picture 4, next to
 Fait by Sophie Ristelhueber, 
and right next to U-ni-ty by 
German photographer Michael
 Schmidt… The Archive of Modern 
Conflict’s latest addition,
 Amore e Piombo, a book of
 anxious beauty, would also be
joining in. People in Trouble 
Laughing is one of those books that haunts you and doesn’t let go. While you flip through it, the feeling remains 
the same, the impression of discovering it for the first time, of seeing an abstraction and clinging to it. Beyond its assertive political resonance, within the archival images of the Northern Ireland Troubles, something invisibly arises from the target like medallions throughout the pages. Images often compare to ghosts, people say… Because they haunt and frighten us. Because they survive everything, including memory,
as migrants free to cross the frontiers of time. They are
 the surviving images philosopher Georges Didi-Huberman adopted as his hobby horse. Akin to anthropologists, Adam Broomberg and Oliver Chanarin trail their traces across the contemporary conflicts of past and present times, through the invisible historical scars, in order to denounce the world’s downward spiral, 
not with an appetite for chaos, but to interrogate both our psychological and ethical relation to images.

56_peopleintrouble77-copyMagali Genuite: How did you first get into photography?

Adam Broomberg and Oliver Chanarin : Adam first tried to be a « bar mitzvah » photographer, but failed. I don’t believe he was ever hired. My father built a darkroom in my bedroom when I was growing up and exposed me to lethal photographic chemicals while I was sleeping. So it goes… as Kurt Vonnegut liked to say.

Maga: How did your duet begin?

Adam & Oliver: A duet is a nice word for it. I wish it was that choreographed. But perhaps it’s more like two bullets colliding in mid-air. In fact we recently met a collector in Boonsboro, near Washington DC, who has been gathering rare examples of bullets that have collided in mid-air. It’s extremely improbable, but sometimes happens.

Maga: Who or what are your inspirations? A photographer, a book or something else?


Adam & Oliver: Early on we were inspired by the portrait photography of August Sander. The deadpan style. But his impulse to catalogue society into archetypes bothered us both, and recollected the colonial perspective that the history of photography is so caught up in. We both grew up in South Africa; Europe was far away and alluring. We felt like Nudniks. The sense that there was a flow of power in one direction, from the centre radiating out to the colonies, was something
palpable to us, even if it was part of a distant history. A book called The Soul of the White Ant by Eugene Marais is important to us both. It’s written by a South African botanist, journalist and morphine addict. He discovered that ants live in complex societies, but his research was plagiarised by a Dutch botanist and he
died in obscurity. The something else is a film, The Passenger, by Michelangelo Antonioni. Strangely, and this is a complete coincidence, there is a copy of Eugene Marais’ book on the table in the hotel room where the final scene of the film takes place!

Maga: Why did you use found photographs, images of images, in your work?


Adam & Oliver: Photographers tend to have an unhealthy sense of ownership of their own images. We’ve never differentiated between a photograph we’ve taken and ones that we’ve found. They are there to be borrowed and stolen. Cut up and chewed up. Instagram understands that. Facebook understands that.

Maga: A political dimension is omnipresent in your work. Should photography or art necessarily be political, and why? What pushes you in that direction?

Adam & Oliver: Even the medium itself is political. You cannot pick up a camera and not make a political statement about race, about natural resources, about power. Years ago we photographed the PLO leader of Palestine, Yasser Arafat, and when the Israel Defense Forces got hold of our film they x-rayed it 30 times to try and destroy it. They also understood that the medium of photography poses a threat to power.

Maga: Erik Kessels says, “I am interested in images that signal an obsession.” How about you? What is your driving force?

Adam & Oliver: We are obsessed with Erik Kessels !

holybible10-928x619Maga: In the Holy Bible, you use images from The Archive of Modern Conflict to comment on visual representations of armed hostilities. What was the project’s process?

Adam & Oliver: It’s complicated. We were working with the philosopher Adi Ophir, who spent his career studying the Bible. His thesis is that God only appears through violence or through miracles; two sides of the same coin. So the Bible exists as a parable for 
the modern state. That was our guiding tenant. We began looking for words and images that reflect the way the state stands about punishment, and how we all remain obedient to it.

Maga: Could you talk about your latest work, Dodo? What is at stake in that project? Was the discovery of a film at its origin?

1_dodo-web4Adam & Oliver: We discovered that one of the many B25 bombers used in the film “Catch-22” was buried on set in Mexico during filming. We went with Mexico’s best archaeologists to dig up the plane but also thought of filmic archaeology. They shot the film for six months and we wondered what happened to all the footage that never made it into the final edit. Turns out Paramount found a chest hidden in the bowels of the archive with 11 hours of footage in it that had never been seen before. We chose just the nature footage… effectively turning a fiction film about WWII set in Italy in 1944 into a nature documentary set in Mexico in 1969. Both are stories of destruction.

Maga: You just participated in the Conflict, Time, Photography exhibition at Tate Modern, an exhibition reflecting on the traces left by conflicts across time. How did you contribute to the show?

Adam & Oliver: With two projects: The Day Nobody Died, which was made on the frontline in Helmand Province, Afghanistan during the war in 2008. And another project, People in Trouble Laughing Pushed to the Ground. Both in their own way rely on accidents. In Afghanistan we didn’t take cameras, just a 50-meter roll of photographic paper that we exposed in strips to the sun for 20 seconds. In Belfast we exposed parts of images obscured by the marks of archivists or other visitors to the institution. None of the images were composed by us.

Maga: Could it be said that your work deals with issues of “contemporary conflict”, while your books deal with war issues? Do they relate a relatively pessimistic reflection on the state of the world?


Adam & Oliver: No, quite the opposite. Conflict zones are like petri dishes… a perfect place to watch culture, politics and economy at work. We’re not that interested in war, but it provides an amazing opportunity to observe humanity in its funniest and darkest forms.

adam-broomberg-and-oliver-chanarin-photography-project-war-primer-2-and-the-deutsche-borse-prize-coverMaga: You pay particular attention to your photography books. They are real “art objects.” Will the books replace the exhibitions or are they complementary?


Adam & Oliver: They’re complementary, two absolutely distinct forms.

Maga:  Is something else at work in the book? As in Scarti, for example, it’s a book about books…

Adam & Oliver:  Isn’t every book..?

Maga:  What photographer has been fundamental for you, and why?

Adam
 & Oliver: Lee Miller, for taking a bath in Hitler’s tub.

Maga:  What projects are you currently working on?

Adam & Oliver:  One at the Freud museum. We have the world’s best forensic scientist analysing Freud’s couch for all the traces of DNA she can find.

Maga:  The theme of this magazine’s next issue is “hotel.” Could you give me an anecdote, a memory or even your idea of what this particular space represents?

Adam & Oliver: Sharing a hotel room in Venice with Grace Jones around 15 years ago is one memory we won’t forget.

20111205053524_AB_OC_untitled_broken_windowInterview parue dans DOUBLE n°29, « Double Hotel », printemps-été 2015.

 

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